Local Moose Beginning To Suspect That The Moose Lottery Is Fixed When He Discovers All The Winners Are Hunters Again This Year
Thank You Sippy, today I needed that
I love Pravda, they always have a interesting slant…
How Barack Obama avoids prison
A political deal will be struck to save the Democrat Party from total collapse and protect the Republican Party from revelations of complicity in the greatest fraud ever perpetrated on the American people.
A growing number of Americans are now learning that Barack Obama, according to Article II, Section I, Clause 5 of the U. S. Constitution, is an illegal President. The law requires a candidate for the Presidency to be a “natural born citizen,” that is, a second generation American, a U.S. citizen, whose parents were also U.S. citizens at the time of the candidate’s birth….
Pravda is the Russian newspaper that has been around since Lenin.
On the North River 
The meaning of Natural Born Citizen comes from the common law and refers to the PLACE of birth, not the parents.
“Under the longstanding English common-law principle of jus soli, persons born within the territory of the sovereign (other than children of enemy aliens or foreign diplomats) are citizens from birth. Thus, those persons born within the United States are “natural born citizens” and eligible to be President. Much less certain, however, is whether children born abroad of United States citizens are “natural born citizens” eligible to serve as President …”—- Edwin Meese, et al, THE HERITAGE GUIDE TO THE CONSTITUTION (2005) [Edwin Meese was Ronald Reagan’s attorney general, and the Heritage Foundation is a well-known Conservative organization.]
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As a rule I don’t waste space on “birther” stories or rants. The time to have been concerned with that (if at all) was in 2008 before the Obama’s first election. In 2012, I believe a new political rule of thumb is being created; being the sitting POTUS is sufficient eligibility to run again for the office. If not, then I don’t know what is.
“Natural Born Citizen” is not defined in the US Constitution. My understanding of it’s inclusion is historical, not legal. At the time of the framing of the Constitution it was the concern of many that too many former British subjects (used to being ruled by aristocrats) might invite some European prince over to head the government of the new country.
I doubt that the framers ever conceived of any likelihood that an mixed race child of a non-Christian foreign-citizen and born of his number two wife (not his second wife, but second existing wife) would ever be seriously considered as a Presidential candidate. Or let alone, win. Yes, I very strongly doubt that.
As usual with articles from Pravda, the rabid tone and over the top invective against America is highly entertaining.
P.S.
Yes, you can find (here) cartoons and links to items casting aspersions on Obama’s “Americanism”. But that is because I have such complete contempt for Barry Soetoro and all his works.
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Re: “My understanding of it’s inclusion is historical, not legal.”
Goof point. So the obvious way to determine what Natural Born Citizen meant in the USA (not Switzerland, obviously) is to determine how it was USED. If American writers used the term to refer to the place of birth, that is what it means. If they used it to refer to parents, that is what it means. Well, here is an example of how it was used in 1803:
“Prior to the adoption of the constitution, the people inhabiting the different states might be divided into two classes: natural born citizens, or those born within the state, and aliens, or such as were born out of it. The first, by their birth-right, became entitled to all the privileges of citizens; the second, were entitled to none, but such as were held out and given by the laws of the respective states prior to their emigration. …St. George Tucker, BLACKSTONE’S COMMENTARIES: WITH NOTES OF REFERENCE TO THE CONSTITUTION AND LAWS OF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES AND THE COMMONWEALTH OF VIRGINIA. (1803)
As you can see, it refers to the place of birth. There is no mention of parents. Natural Born Citizens were “those born within the state.” And, if you search very hard, as I did, you will not find a single case where the term Natural Born Citizen is used by Americans to refer to parents. American leaders, including Adams and Hamilton always used it to refer to its common law meaning, birth in the country, and never used it to refer to parents.
And here is another example, from 1829:
“Therefore every person born within the United States, its territories or districts, whether the parents are citizens or aliens, is a natural born citizen in the sense of the Constitution, and entitled to all the rights and privileges appertaining to that capacity.”—William Rawle, A VIEW OF THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. 2d ed. (1829)
So, Meese is right. The meaning of Natural Born Citizen does come from the common law, because that is the way that Americans at the time used the term. And that is also what the Wong Kim Ark decision ruled, six to two, that the meaning of Natural Born comes from the common law, and that it refers to the place of birth, and that every child born in the USA, except for the children of foreign diplomats, is natural born.
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As the unprecedented four terms of FDR resulted in the 22nd Amendment, I wonder if the reign of BHO will see a effort to draft another amendment in response to his unconventional and globe toddling upbringing.
I have always felt that, in large part, Barry’s problems in office came from a distinct lack of understanding of this country. (And his countrymen, if he even thinks of us as such.)
I would not waste too much time worrying about the definition of Natural Born. As I said previously, insofar as the election of 2012 is concerned Barak Hussein Obama is unquestionable qualified as the sitting President of the United States to run for re-election. It is a waste of time to argue otherwise. But it is not wrong to consider in your deliberations before casting your vote if this man is really worthy of the office.
In at least one way I consider myself to be more qualified to be President than he. As his childhood was spent in foreign lands and his grade school experiences consisted of learning the Koran. My childhood home was America, my mornings began with pledging Allegiance to the Flag and learning about the history of my country.
How do you word an amendment that expresses the desire of so many Americans today, that we never again be governed by someone we suspect does not love us. Nor, love America with all their heart and all their soul.
The POTUS should be Americas defender on the worlds stage, strongly prejudiced in our favor, we don’t want a “citizen of the world”.
He should not bow to foreign rulers, Americans don’t do that. BHO wishes to acquiesce to the UN in many areas, including the legal protection of our troops and the UN’s ideas about gun control.
He shouldn’t be known for not wearing an American Flag Pin, but knowing the Muslim call to prayer.
An Italian patriot and politician said it best;
Love your country. Your country is the land where your parents sleep, where is spoken that language in which the chosen of your heart, blushing, whispered the first word of love; it is the home that God has given you that by striving to perfect yourselves therein you may prepare to ascend to him. ~Giuseppe Mazzini
The man that feels that for America. That’s the man I would vote for to be my president.
I do not believe that Barak Hussein Obama feels that.
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Re: “How do you word an amendment that expresses the desire of so many Americans today, that we never again be governed by someone we suspect does not love us. ”
A most un-conservative idea. It proposes that we set up a rule to protect ourselves from ourselves. If we are stupid enough to chose someone who we suspect does not love us, then we should suffer the consequences. On the other hand, a libertarian would ask: “You mean you want to take away my RIGHT to vote for someone who does not love us?”
Re: “The man that feels that for America. That’s the man I would vote for to be my president.”
And I would fight to the death for your right to do so. But, remember, there are likely to be some folks who believe that Obama feels that way about Obama, just as much as Romney does, and they have the right to vote for the candidate that they like as well as you.
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“Obama feels that way about Obama” Typo?
I did say, “I wonder…” and “how would you word such a amendment”, not that I thought we should or could add such a amendment.
The American Republic was set up to protect ourselves from ourselves, with three branches of government, each to watch the other two.
The sidebar quote “Quote from the Czech Republic……….” says just that, that we were very stupid to elect BHO in the first place. That is the real problem. Universal Suffrage doesn’t necessarily work all that great, all the time. After all, people who watch “reality TV” also vote. ;-}
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Yes it was a typo.
It would be extremely difficult to word such an amendment because it would have the effect of protecting ourselves from ourselves, and anyway that you word it, that would be obvious.
It was Lincoln who said that “the government of the people, by the people, for the people shall not perish from this earth.” By that I assume that he was in favor of the popular vote. It is, generally, better than all the alternatives.
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